YES. NEXT QUESTION? Does President Obama consider Republicans a greater threat than the Muslim Bro?

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He should - cause as far he's concerned, I am. From his perspective, if they get their wishes it just kills a few peasants, I dream of toppling his regime and putting him and his cronies in prison. 38 minutes ago ? ? id="loggedin"> id="notloggedin"> Like (0) Like (0) Sign In or Register

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Before, there either was or seemed to be an existential threat from militant expansionist and virulently anti- Great Satan jihadis.

Now, a few years and wars later, there either is or seems to be a constitutional threat from our own google-facebook-government at every level:

Eye scans of grade-schoolers, student rfid tags, bundling of coercive and intrusive Obamacare and IRS registration information, the new CFPB's tracking of all financial transactions, domestic drones, phone and car location tracking, facial and body recognition capable cams in stores and on streets, high resolution satellite pix, TSA body/ luggage/ car/ truck and bus searches, the Federal push to mandate black boxes in all cars, and so much more, in addition to the vacuuming up and storage of all electronic transmissions.

To protect whom from whom, we'd like to know (and Orwell knew.)

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And here's another right winger, Andrew McCarthy: talking about the NSA and 4th amendment and how it's NOT a program that spies on all Americans:

"Telephone record information (e.g., the numbers dialed and duration of calls) is not and has never been protected by the Fourth Amendment. The Supreme Court held as much in its 1979 Smith v. Maryland decision. Understand: the phone record information at issue here is very different from the content of telephone conversations. Because the latter involve higher privacy expectations, they are heavily regulated under not only the Fourth Amendment but both Title III of the federal penal code and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Under these laws, the government is not permitted to access communications content absent court authorization based on probable cause either that a crime has been committed or that the surveillance target is an agent of a foreign power (such as a terrorist organization or a hostile government).

?By gathering massive amounts of telephone traffic information, the government is able to establish phone call patterns, which is vital for mapping terrorist organizations. Without this, you cannot have preventive, intelligence-based counterterrorism ? i.e., counterterrorism whose goals are to identify terror cells before they strike and to stop atrocities from happening. To be sure, Congress could deny the government this kind of information by statute. If lawmakers did that, however, we would be in a September 10 counterterrorism paradigm ? i.e., rather than prioritize prevention, we would be contenting ourselves to investigate and prosecute only after attacks have occurred and Americans have been killed."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350331/phone-record-gathering-story-blown-out-proportion-andrew-c-mccarthy

For the Rand Paul's of the world, it doesn't matter if the Supremes already ruled that this type of info gathering isn't a violation. But for republicans who aren't quite as prone to hyperbole, and dont want to fall in lockstep with the same liberal wackos who were making the same exact argument when Bush was in charge, be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Yes Obama is untrustworthy, and yes he has targeted tea partiers. And yes, more oversight might be needed to allay some fears of this program. But lets not throw away a valuable program to deal with a legitmate threat because of the hyperbole of the Glenn Greenwalds and Ran Pauls of the world.
After all, Obama will only be in office for three more years. Yet, if the war on terror will continue we will continue to need to monitor their communications.

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"Is not life the most important of civil liberties? These intelligence programs are trashed without any curiosity as to whether they?ve prevented any attacks and saved any lives. The hostile responses are largely knee-jerk and lack any kind of context. The arguments are abstract and descend into fear-mongering. While I?m all for philosophical debates, how about a little more reality when it comes to fighting and winning this war?a real war against a horrific enemy."
-Mark Levin (no left winger, for sure) talking about the knee jerk reaction of the left towards Bushs's spying. It was 1984 all over again, it was Bush implementing a police state. We needed to have V For Vendetta put out as a movie by the left to decry the Anti Bushism police state that the state in that movie was a stand in for, where all the populace became Guy Fawkes and overthrew the govt because it was that evil.
And now the libertarians are doing the exact same thing.
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Do tea partiers or Republicans consider Obama a greater threat than the Muslim Brotherhood, or Al Qaeda?
Might explain the attempt to defund the NSA and the constant suggestion that the NSA is spying on all Americans.
Many of these folks were noticeably silent when Bush started the NSA surveillance program. And were even pissed that the Times leaked it.
Suddenly though the right is with Glenn Greenwald? WTF?
Suddenly Edward Snowden is MLK and Thoreau?
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The only people Obama likes to kill, or have killed, or just let be killed are America people. 2 hours ago ? ? id="loggedin"> id="notloggedin"> Like (0) Like (0) Sign In or Register

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A silly question. If Obama considered Republicans a threat in the least, his security wouldn't have been so brazen about excluding these students from a campus-wide event.

Also, he's been pretty open about his affinity for Muslim brotherhoods and nations of Islam.

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